headstamping them in March of 1877. .45-70: 1873 USA a.k.a .45-70 Government. Be sure to check out our gun classifieds where you can buy, sell or trade your gear. the current month's picture page. bullet. Firing one of the rifle cartridges in a carbine was All of it crammed into a copper case 1.285 inches long with an inside, centerfire primer. How about more election topics. .45 Colt pistols have always been appreciated, especially by the military. It's not a light weight round by any means. June 2004 the case, as well as an original box. with a 500 grain bullet; this cartridge is one of those. listed in Cartridges of the World on page 306 as ".45 Colt - .45 Colt Government". The majority of ammunition manufacturers stamp their cases with 45 Colt as do the majority of firearm manufacturers mark their firearms with the same. This is probably a reload. For about a decade the moniker 45 Long Colt was applicable when differentiating between the two rounds but by the dawn of the 20th century the Schofield had long been retired and sold on the surplus market, by the end of World War 2, both revolvers were becoming distant memories and Colts latest offering that proved itself in the Second World War (the M1911 chambered in 45 ACP) was becoming the new favorite among shooters. I load the Lee TC bullet over 7 gr Bullseye for a pressure of 16,700 psi. #2 - Raised US CARBINE headstamp, produced in July of 1874. collectors have been speculating ever since just what the 'M.P.' between the case head and the removable central portion coincides with the The .45 Long Colt also set the stage for several other rounds, namely the powerful .454 Casull. This cookie can only be read from the domain they are set on and will not track any data while browsing through other sites. 88. While the break action of the S&W offered much faster reloading than the Colt, the S&W cylinder wasn't long enough to take the .45 Colt cartridge. Hsm 45-70 Government 405 gr Round Nose Flat Point Cowboy Action 20/Box. Still an interesting piece for more than just the long Colt short Colt argument! SAAACA, Auctions: brgds So, I do not need moon clips at all. month and year it was made, this one being part of that first month's @Mike Searson, Set by the GDPR Cookie Consent plugin, this cookie is used to record the user consent for the cookies in the "Advertisement" category . The pistol's formal U.S. military designation as of 1940 was Automatic Pistol, Caliber .45, M1911 for the original model adopted in March 1911, and Automatic Pistol . smaller primer. standard in August of 1882; this is one of the cartridges produced that Happy shooting. Email a copy to george@blackdogammunition.com. The only real difference is the number of rounds you can shoot without reloading, 45/70 is about half the capacity as 45 colt. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Add to wishlist. rifle cartridges were loaded with 70 grains of black powder, and those for The bullets of #s 1 and 2 are the standard The headstamps on these are usually quite light and difficult to photograph, cartridges were made of copper, with the heads and rims formed by shaping Took it home to shoot it. The 1887 cartridge you refer to was called 45 government. Therefore, it would be reasonable 1,171. the 3 77 date; if you have an extra one and would consider a trade for items lead bullet that 28 gr. will be found with both Berdan and 'boxer' style primers, this one being the The full name of their new cartridge, the 45-70-405, respectively referred to . Please provide address and copy of paperwork. Ignorance is cured by facts, and then becomes knowle, 600 Rounds Winchester 5.56 55Grain XM193 FMJ Stripper Clips & Tool $240.00 FREE S&H REBATE, AR-15 Barrel Length Does It Even Matter? The M1911 (Colt 1911 or Colt Government) is a single-action, recoil-operated, semi-automatic pistol chambered for the .45 ACP cartridge. Bond Arms also makes some Derringers chambered for the ammo combo. For the last couple years I've been shooting the Lee 230 TC bullet in the 45 Colt also. Another characteristic of this cartridge is its It has a rim that is larger in diameter than the barrel of the casing. was responsible for the increase in accuracy, not the heavier Shooters have an obligation to know about the ammo they are shooting. These March 2004 The 45LC is far cheaper to reload. The .45 Schofield is a shorter case than the .45 Colt, and was loaded witb a 230gr bullet over 28gr of black powder and delivered 830-850fps . All three have the The 'R' identifies this as a rifle The '3 77' indicates the COLT 1911 GOVERNMENT CLASSIC 45 ACP HANDGUN | Brownells 1 / 4 COLT 1911 GOVERNMENT CLASSIC 45 ACP HANDGUN (0.0) 0 reviews Color Royal Blue Brownells sku MFR # UPC $899.00 - $1,499.00 In stock ADD TO CART Specification Please select from the options above to see detailed specifications. April 2004 The .45 Long Colt (LC) and the .45 Automatic Colt Pistol (ACP) are not nearly as similar as they sound. inside-primed cartridge continued as the standard until August of 1882. I agree the argument is about little. [citation needed]. Cheaper to reload if using jacketed bullets. Sign up for daily stories delivered to your inbox. The 45-70 Government is one cartridge many shooters associate with a hunting guide gun. After about 1915-1920, the cartridge cut was removed and the red "W" was overprinted by cartridge name call-outs as is seen in the 45 Colt Government photo. Conclusion. externally primed case in August of 1882. And it handles my hot loads just fine. First, we need to realize that firearms and ammunition manufacturers have been creating a massive variety of cartridges for well over a century. came to equipping and funding the military, so any means to cut costs would from my web page lists, please let me know. * https://www.indianagunowners.com/threads/classifieds-new-online-payment-guidelines-rules-paypal-venmo-zelle-etc.511734/, https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo47012-45-70-deer-legal-round-development.html, The Funny Picture/Video Thread, 14th Edition: Ketchup Farts, Dog Sneezes and Misspelled Tattoos, Buy, sell, and trade in the classified section, Chat with Local gun shops, ranges, trainers & other businesses, View up to date on firearm-related events. Shop our collection of obsolete & black powder Ammo for sale, we also offer the reloading supplies for these old and obsolete calibers so you can reload your own ammo. Light weight bullets work in a 45-70 to duplicate 45 Colt loads if wanted. normally be found in a rifle case this late in 1882. styles. 2-Cav. Chambered with the .45 ACP cartridge, these were semi-automatic, single-action, magazine-fed, recoil-operated pistols that were always popular. You are using an out of date browser. or Best Offer The head-stamp on the BUT these are SHORT .45 Colts! It almost switched to the .45 Schofield made by Smith & Wesson for its Model 3 revolver. This anonymous data helps us to better understand users' needs and customize the website accordingly. copies of a hand-written 'Record of Alterations and Improvements in Rifle, Stevensville, MT 59870. I asked a bunch of gunsmiths and the general consensus was that there was no fix and the rifle was a piece of crap. Beginning with the first picture, produce the cartridge, which began in mid-1878. They were 250-gr. You should consider 10% less for starting loads. case proved its worth and was adopted as the Pattern 1888 cartridge in The _ga cookie, installed by Google Analytics, calculates visitor, session and campaign data and also keeps track of site usage for the site's analytics report. It has been reported that after the 45 Schofield cartridge replaced the 45 Colt cartridge, the 45 Schofield cartridge was referred to as the "45 Colt Government" while being manufactured by Frankford Arsenal. While either term is correct, 45 Long Colt was really just a nickname. carbine to kick like a mule. Very Scarce Winchester Government Contract 45-70 Smokeless Ammo Full. . Colt Government". Ive lost count of how many times Ive had to explain this to people. #9 the third unmarked but probably also made by Kynoch. I have both, plan on keeping both, but I would pick the 45 Colt if I only had one. Maynard conical style; those in #s 3 and 4 are the heavier Maynard Department: Ammo > Rifle Ammunition > 45-70 Government. I like how the picture caption says Old Vaquero. made for Navy and militia use until June of 1898, when all production ended .45 Cartridges loaded by Frankford Arsenal for the Schofield revolver do indeed have slightly larger rim diameters, at least for the brass cased rounds. They were 250-gr. deep-seated 405 grain bullet, the result of removing the paper wads and the same depth into the cases, making the rifle and carbine cartridges Ive had the issue you describe. the Morse cartridge was never produced in great quantities. A cookie set by YouTube to measure bandwidth that determines whether the user gets the new or old player interface. Ammo with a wide meplat will occasionally require a jiggle to get it to chamber but other than that its fine. Many rounds have civilian and military designations that sound totally different, yet are dimensionally the same. I also understand that if I attempt to have product shipped to these restricted areas, my order will be cancelled, and I will be subject to paying a 10% cancellation fee. The .45 Colt can be loaded with three power levels. When I chambered the .45 Auto round it went into the cylinder a half inch deep! He has worked in the firearms industry his entire adult life as a Gunsmith, Ballistician, Consultant, Salesman, and Author and was first certified to teach firearms safety in 1989. The cartridge is made to be placed into a revolver's cylinder and manually ejected. I shoot both but only use black powder or 777. If I hear everyone correctly reloading cost would generally favor the 45lc. The only lever action experience I have is with a 38 spl/357. YouTube sets this cookie via embedded youtube-videos and registers anonymous statistical data. I noticed the guns made to chambered in 45 Colt were more readily available and less costly. Yes, the Casull can fire .45 Colt ammo, but the price of a Freedom Arms can be a real eye-opener. The bottom line is this: Like the .45-70 Government, the .45 Colt remains relevant because the design was so good to begin with. I loaded it with 38 Special hand loads, however, it may have chambered 357 Magnum. May 2004 when it to the cartridge during its production. Light loads with excessive airspaceare a recipe for case splits and erratic function. This traditional cartridge was used to give a lever-action rifle a bigger punch when the .45-70 caliber rifles weren't produced commercially for years. However, it would be good (and fun) to have another option. You must log in or register to reply here. Contents: This example will ship with the Original Colt 1911 vintage box, new Colt 1911 box "for storage/accessory purposes", Original papers and the Original price tag of $21.00 with the matching serial number. While it certainly has its limitations, the .45-70 Govt is still an extremely effective cartridge when used under the proper conditions. Most military ammo has a feature that the civilian version doesnt, namely crimped in primers. * .45-70 Government. were made at the Frankford Arsenal, and they show many of the changes made YouTube - Store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen - 2. characteristic deep-grooved bullet, weighing around 265 grains, and a deep base cavity fitted with a wax-coated Thinking long and hard without factual information only begets resolute ignorance. Pre-Owned. a 14 barrel, similar to a Thompson Contender. The 45 Colt is the way to go, for two reasons: The reason id go with 45 colt is cause of all the other fun guns that shoot the same round. Quantity: 20 Rounds. April of 1898. I preferred the heavy rifling not the micro sec. Notify Me When Available. This change occurred in May of 1886, after it was decided that the obvious However, you may visit "Cookie Settings" to provide a controlled consent. Richard Mann. For lower level, these loads are great practice, plinking, or target loads. The __gads cookie, set by Google, is stored under DoubleClick domain and tracks the number of times users see an advert, measures the success of the campaign and calculates its revenue. [2] As with the Colt round, beginning in the 1880s Frankford Arsenal began using centerfire brass cases. #3 is the Model 1873 style, with the A .45 ACP pistol shoots bullets that are loaded and fed through a MAGAZINE, not a clip. That is probably why they put it in quotes. . the cartridges are: The four cartridges shown here are variations of the .500 Tranter or Webley revolver cartridge, introduced around 1880 in England for use in revolvers based on the Tranter and Webley patents. _________________, IL: No ammo to Chicago. When taking down more giant game, like bears and elk, with this round, limit your range to about 200 yards. #4 - A Benet inside-primed cartridge headstamped R 3 F 77. 45 colt is way cheaper. The used the same 405 grain lead bullet and copper case. Born in 1873, .45-70 Govt. The .45s are a very versatile group of cartridges, ranging from the .45 Colt on the bottom end up to the high-velocity champ, the .460 S&W Magnum, at the top end. The .45 Long Colt was a product of Colt's Patent Firearms Manufacturing Company and the Union Metallic Cartridge Company, which was called Connecticut home. need for the larger caliber ammunition as the new rifle was phased in. It may not display this or other websites correctly. British Description: This is a lot with two full boxes, 100 original rounds, of .45 Colt ammunition manufactured by PMC with 250 grain flat nose, hard cast lead bullets. 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